Who Resides In Limbo?
Alright, I think I finally have this down though so that I can start using it. Today was a great day all in all. I woke up a bit late, so I had to shower in about 5 min. Just one of those mornings I guess. I got to class in time so no problems there.
I had philosophy class at 9:30am. It’s always amazing to start the day out with some debate in philosophy. To me it beats a good cup of coffee. So in class we have been going over the role god has in philosophy for about 3 weeks now. This can get very vexing when you have a class such as mine. Many are die-hard about god. I guess they have faith. For me I think I would like to believe in god; I just haven’t gotten there yet. So here we are sitting in class talking about some essays we have read that defend the existence of god, and one that is written from an atheist.
Ok I have to go back about 45 min in time. I am always one of the first kids in class (I love being punctual.). Usually there is always one other kid… for the sake of the Internet and being anonymous on it lets call the other kid “X”. Well before class every other day X and I make small talk, nothing to interesting. Today was different X was super bothered by my statement that God has no place in philosophy, and I will get to my reasoning later. Well X was perplexed that I would even question God. Ok to my reasons, I told X that it was very possible for Got to not exist. I told X that if the band of time that we live within is infinite, and our universe is as well. That it is not necessary to have a creation. I know from experience (a posteriori) we, as humans, know beginning and end. It is hard to think that there is a possibility of no beginning or end. Well, it is. X had a hard time even understanding that the universe is expanding, or even the concept of infinity. So that was over. I angered, and in a short explanation of my thoughts bemused a fellow classmate.
So class started and we got to the debate. It all started out pretty well. Come to think of it, I think it may have only been good for me. Many people in my class were having a hard time. We went on, and somehow we got on a really great topic for a class. “If there was proof of no god. Would life be worth living?” I obviously stated my philosophy of living life for pleasure, and that it would make no large difference in my life at the moment. X raised his had and said that god was real. Not a good answer. I think that if there was no god than life would be just fine. Think about it though, If someone is living a life of virtue just to get a good seat in heaven, and then there is someone that lives a virtuous life just to live a good life. In reality the person doing good just to do good seems to have a better sense of virtue. Well all this talk just lead to the end of class where we got assigned some more essays on god. I will post some links at the bottom so if you want to check out some reading you can.
Class was over and I headed for home. My dad and brother had the day off so we went to go get some lunch. I had the good idea of going to chipotle; it was a good idea until we got there and the line was to the door. So we took the easy way out and got some fast food, crunch wrap supreme and nachos. After eating my dad and I headed over to Boarders. I needed a novel. I am kind of exasperated by all the philosophy, and physics books I have been reading; so I decided to get a fantasy book. It was a hard choice. All those fantasy novels look super cheesy and the descriptions on them seem horrible. Until I stumbled upon the J.R.R Tolkien section. I personally have never seen any of the movies. I am always told they are great. Well I figured that through my childhood I should have read “The Hobbit”, but I never got around to it. So I picked that up. I started walking around and I remembered that I needed a new copy of “Dante’s Inferno”(I lost my old copy about a year ago.). So I was very happy to pick that up as well. I got home and started reading, and took a nap. I have a psychology paper to write on stress, which should not be so hard. Well I hope to keep this posting up.
So I said earlier that god had no place in philosophy and that I would get to that later in that post. Well I forgot. I guess I got caught up in my thinking. Ok so my reasoning behind the thought that God has no place in philosophy is that it has killed the credibility (to me) of so many great philosophers. Just for example when Descartes’ epistemologist ass went to prove that god for a fact did exist. He used the most ridiculous of reasons. I just do not understand how a man with such a great mind goes down like that. So many philosophers have proved God on very ass-backwards ways. I think if they did not try proving God that all would be fine, but they have to do it. I think it would have been best for them to actually realize that finding god is a futile fight. I do not mind if they do believe in God; I just find the method of providing evidence on proving the existence, and finding the nature of God is a bad fight.
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Links to reading:
Dialogues Concerning
Natural Religion- David Hume
Meditations
on First Philosophy- Descartes
posted by Joe S. at 6:26 PM
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As do i enjoy a "godly" philosophical debate in the morning... I have'nt been linked to another philosopher as yet, that has argued the case of ourselves being our own god. Not quite the way of hedinism or as numbed morally as satanism, but more along the lines of the way you expressed, just a tad bit more self-condident.. As I have had many an argument with a fellow sage, he has also tried to convince me of this creator. Though the one thing my debatees never seem to be able to support the notion of is how is it that a serial killer (just to illustrate an extreme example) has a much different mental foundation of the right and the wrong. Of course many other topics could follow, as you well know i'm sure that all words are indeed infinite, followed by the listeners interpretation, anyways, I digress..(a side affect of the philosophy flooding your brain system before your eyes hit the sun..) as I was concluding, life as we know it, is in our own control. Therefore, I personally find it "blasphemous" to believe that one's individual set of morale and belief, in the equation of one omnipresent configuration, overrides all others individuality. Taoism, some form of Buddhism and minor conceptual thoughts of Jainism brush upon this idea, more that all share energy from this sort of primordial energy pool (which i think does come very close), but still, I have yet to find one solid religion that can be soooo concise in it's definition, that every human being on earth could fall prey to it's vision.
I think alot of the differentiation in the way religion is being percieved has to be largley weighted on the fact that our time and our generation are becoming less and less dependent on the idea of a higher power,becuase as people, we have defeated the higher power, Medical advancments make it so that, if people don't like the way we are, we can change it, no longer do people have to try and find a higher reason behind things that happen, In other words, if people do look at god and religion simply becuase they assume it is there only determing factor in what comes after life, why would our older generations ( such as grandparents) still be so faithful in god with the same knowlege that death may not always be inevitable? Is it that God does not have a place in philosophy? or that people choose not to waste time with religion or god, becuase to us, the purpose of religion is no longer necessary, if we defeat death? The gap between today and 20 or 20 years ago socially is so dramatic, its hard for people to determine what the next 20 or 30 could bring... But if a writer choosing to try and wrap his mind around the idea of a god, i don't think his intention is to try and convert you, rather share his same mind frame, when determing his own mind. In alot of literature, the heroin tends to have a point in which they choose the ignorance, not to say believing in god is ignorant, but perhaps, knowing that god could not exist, or that it is useless that he does, is a more painful realization than ignoring that god may not exist. Who is to say that god can't exist to any one person? how is a person's belief not a reality if they believe in it enough.. people determine their strongest feelings on things that cannot be physically proven.. it's because they feel or want to feel.. what they think is true, and if its true to them, it is Their reality. So no, im not saying god exists, But there is also no way god cannot exist to anyone. There cannot be a universal religion, becuase no one is the same person, no one can see things through everyone else's eyes, Every person with religion and faith has reason behind it, and weather or not it is valid, is irrelevant.
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